See Us at Seattle Hempfest 2010 August 20-21-22
Stoney Girl Gardens is a featured Speaker and will have a booth by the Main Stage this year at the Seattle Hempfest. Continue reading Seattle Hempfest
See Us at Seattle Hempfest 2010 August 20-21-22
Stoney Girl Gardens is a featured Speaker and will have a booth by the Main Stage this year at the Seattle Hempfest. Continue reading Seattle Hempfest
Stoney Girl Gardens Invited to 1st Annual High Times Medical Marijuana Cannabis Cup 2010
Saturday, March 20, 2010 – Acknowledged as a World Class Seed Company, Stoney Girl Gardens has been officially invited to compete and be a major sponsor of this year’s 1st Annual High Times Medical Cannabis Cup in San Francisco. High Times is rolling out the red carpets to introduce the first contest to be held in America. This will be a historical event as not only American breeders will be featured, but as a fully Medical Marijuana line of genetics will be introduced to the Cup. Continue reading High Times First Annual Cannabis Cup
The International Cannabis & Hemp Expo 2010 is a public education event.
We are offering a forum for awareness, education and advancement of the hemp industry and medical cannabis community. Our objective is to educate the public on the differences between industrial hemp, medical cannabis and recreational cannabis, and to show the public the benefits of each. Continue reading International Cannabis and Hemp Expo
First Legal US Marijuana Seed Breeder Gains International Attention
January 29, 2010, — Ed Rosenthal has selected Stoney Girl Gardens for the Big Book of Buds 4 and the newly revised Marijuana Growers Handbook. Continue reading First Legal US Marijuana Seed Breeder Gains International Attention
|History of Stoney Girl Gardens from My Perspective
From the inception of the MMJ laws I have perceived being involved with the process from a private business perspective. My initial thought was compliance since this was my then current specialty. My ideas were squashed by the regulation of numbers on plants in any one location and federal intervention.
I then met a patient that I later would learn would be my soul mate. This changed my life forever. I began growing for her and we also began a breeding program. The story began when I was sitting in a Gentleman’s club one rainy day. I often went to those kinds of places to get a rest from the daily phones and corporate drag. This was my place of rest.
This day, while having a cold one, I overheard a very beautiful exotic dancer asking people if they would grow pot for her. After realizing that she was asking total strangers, and wondering if she had a death wish to be killed by a stranger, I looked over and said, “ I might be able to help”. You see, my biggest vice was recreational marijuana. I have had years of commercial, hands on experience. I knew people and things. I had friends all over the world. I had experience working side by side with some of the world’s best, in some of the most unusual, historic circumstances. Life had led me this path. This was my chance to get back to hands on growing.
I offered her some old equipment I had hanging out in my storage. That is until I viewed her lack of environment. I walked in to view a small spot in a closet with a shelf light and two sickly, fully matured plants. She really needed help! Needless to say, I built a grow and shared much knowledge and fun together. You might say we built our own Garden of Eden where our garden grows love.
I soon learned that working within the requirements of the medical marijuana program and commercial cultivation was much different. It was neither as fun nor profitable. In fact, it cost a lot of money for just a little product. There were a lot of obstacles to overcome. Numbers were the big one. How do you grow, or make anything with only 6 plants? Where do you even get started with a small budget? Where does the small guy get supplies and starts? And were supposed to do all this without income or profit? This reason alone is the one that dispels the real commercial scientists.
Introducing Stoney Girl Gardens
We first started Stoney Girl Gardens in 2000 for the purpose of promoting a successful and easy way to grow for Oregon Medical Marijuana Program card holders. We also wanted to display our exclusive genetic work. All of this was kept specific to the Oregon program. We soon won awards for our work, and became acknowledged for our genetics. We have been published in HT and many other papers. We have formed allies with national folks such as Ed Rosenthal, Tommy Chong, Eddie Lepp, Elvie Musikka, Stevie Nix, Doobies and more. We are active and well known in every major group and organization in Oregon. We are a political force in Salem.
Many organizations were at first perplexed by our marketing which included handouts, pictures, copies of our mix, Cutting and Seed Guides, and other helpful info, all for free. Our consistent course along with our political activism and genuine support has allowed us to become entrusted members of most organizations. Our reputation is secure by our past and current work.
We give away many cuttings to all organizations. We are happy to pass out our exclusive genetics. As stated above, once they are circulated, they go far and help a lot of sick people. It is something that is permanent, unstoppable and non retractable. Why we breed is another story. We have often been asked what our standing is on noted companies stealing our genetics. Our answerer is that there is no better way to get our work out than to have someone credible use it, and pass it on. Our goal has always been to better the quality of medicine around the world. We have seen the industry improve and believe we have been a necessary part of that evolutionary change.
Our current standing allows us to be in the position of having more flexibility within these organizations. As such we began talking about having products on March of 2008.This is something we never did before. We have always given things away and prided ourselves on never selling anything. Stoney Girl Gardens is not an org, corporation, membership, club, company or anything else, yet. We are well respected, well known, and treated like super-stars at any gathering or event. We are merely successful program participants, and want everyone to be the same.
This site was last updated 06/19/11
The Effect of Medical Marijuana on the Black Market
We are fortunate in Oregon to begin exploring the effects of a standardized program for Medical Marijuana. There is a huge community of diverse patients whom many are activists. Our Activist per capita rate is the highest in the nation. The growth of the program has exceeded expectations and is continuing this course. Continue reading The Effect of Medical Marijuana on the Black Market
The cannabis culture has long been rooted in the underground or black market as we will refer to it. It has long been taboo to discuss sources, connections, people and advice. These were closely guarded secrets, though far reaching. Continue reading The Underground
Back to Class(es)
Its’ time to recognize that we have become so complacent and comfortable with our current marijuana laws to the point of creating separate classes; the leagalizer and the patient. A bit of history and an opinion on our state:
First, we need a brief history on the activism here in Oregon. All activism came from leagalizers. Before OMMA, the patient was considered a leaglaizer. Under Federal Rules there is no difference between patients and leagalizers. The Cannabis Buyers Club, although staffed with “patients” was totally ran and underwritten by leagalizers. We owe much to these people for our medical program. As it stands therefore we are still all legalizers until we can change the Federal laws.
There are many patients enjoying the comfort level of the current program. However it is those who work outside this comfort zone that forge the way. They firmly believe in patients “rights” however are not a patient now and hope to never have to be. This does not mean that they have not worked hard for the efforts, will do all they can to enhance and support the program. But we cannot forget the real fight, total freedom. As it stands now, we are constantly in the line of fire and there is no guarantee that your patient rights in Oregon are protected federally. We could loose them at any time. This is why the fight MUST continue, including that of the leagalizer. This makes it even more important to the patient. After 10 years of program we are just beginning to gain credible ground in educating our medical providers. They did not create the program.
There are many patients who never used marijuana before the program. It is hard for them to understand that it was in fact the recreational users who forged the path of success for medical marijuana. Many of these early pioneers were very adept in the “black market”. All of these pioneers were professionals at taking great risks. The current medical program was made available to you largely through these individuals. We are all one.
Stop The Class Division- It Is Up To You!
These class divisions leave us prey for divide and conquer tactics. To date this has been the biggest trouble maker we face.
Quite frankly, it is in the leagalizers plan to use medical marijuana as a launching pad to total freedom (Federal Re-Scheduling). If mj is re-scheduled then all of our major battles would be over…finished. We would not be here discussing these issues. Even as a patient you can agree with this.
We met with Kieth Stroup (NORML Founder) last year at the 2007 Oregon Cannabis Awards hosted by ORNORML. During the discussion one of our key points was that there in fact had been a division of classes amongst marijuana users here in Oregon. We also had great concerns about the problems this class division was causing (including amongst orgs).
We felt that some were assisting in creating this division with the exclusion of “leagalizers” and focusing only on MMJ (it is good to see the direction changed somewhat). We felt that NORML needed an outlet for leagalizers. We feel the patients are well organized and know their own needs better, and that NORML needs to have primary focus on national reform for everyone. The point is folks we all have only one fight. We won’t win if we are divided. We must not be afraid to work outside of our comfort zone to move forward. We did not win yet, contrary to popular belief (and current comfort level).
Let’s be careful not to support a class division.
The medical use of marijuana is and always has been part of the strategy for full legalization by all major organizations. This will not change. Patients cannot forget that there is no sanctity yet until the war is won. Simply winning one small battle on the front does not guaranty victory of the war. NORML cannot forget that it has a goal first for National Reform, not medical reform. Medical reform cannot happen without National Reform. We are team mates regardless of our current position and we have not won yet.
Keep up the fight, I know I will. But let’s not create classes of citizens in our own community. It is up to each of us to take a look at the whole and support each other.
The following article was published in the newspaper. Below is my response which was also published.
MEDICAL POT LAW NEEDS A FIX
Oregon’s medical marijuana law needs to be clarified in view of the
latest court decision. The Supreme Court may do so eventually, but it
would be better – more democratic – for the legislature to perform that
In early 2005 the state Supreme Court ruled against a worker who had
been fired from a forest-products plant because he used medical
In a different case, however, the Bureau of Labor and Industries ruled
in favor of a worker, a drill press operator, who had been hired as a
temporary and who was let go in 2003 when he disclosed his medical
marijuana use. The labor bureau ruled that his employer had to make a
reasonable accommodation of his disability, which was that he was
smoking pot off the job to relieve his nausea and stomach cramps.
Last week the court of appeals turned down an appeal by the employer,
Emerald Steel Fabricators Inc. in Eugene, from the BOLI decision. The
court upheld BOLI, saying the company had not followed the correct
procedure in bringing up its main points.
This man had been hired for a temporary job, and the company’s practice
was to require a drug test before offering to keep someone on long
term. After doing the job for a while, the employee disclosed that he
had a medical marijuana card and wondered whether this would affect his
chance of being kept on. His supervisor took the case to the owner,
and shortly afterward the man was told he would no longer be needed.
There are two sides here, as anyone can see, and they conflict.
One side is that free citizens should have a right to keep their
private life private, not just from the government but from their
employers as well. As long as they show up on time and handle the job
satisfactorily, what they do on their own time is nobody else’s
business. To accept something less is to grant that employers can also
check up on whether you smoke tobacco at home, whether you have a drink
now and then, and ultimately how dangerous your habits and hobbies are
to your health, because this might affect the company’s benefit costs.
The other side is that employers do have a legitimate interest in
making sure their workers – especially drill press operators working
around heavy machinery – are not impaired by the lingering effects of
substances that may dull their senses. Otherwise the company runs the
risk of people getting injured or even killed, and of the company then
being sued, not to mention cited for safety violations.
The legislature could clear all that up. To protect employers, it
could declare that medical marijuana is not protected as a disability.
And to protect our privacy rights, it could say that employers can
require drug tests, but not routinely, only for cause.
Response from SG:
Having 14 years experience professionally consulting government and private businesses with the ADA I thought I should make a quick response. I have experience as an expert witness in Federal cases and the DOJ:
First, the state cannot change the intent nor the written federal laws and regulations of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). That is, the State must at least meet the federal requirements, and may exceed these with their own, but cannot lessen the Act.
Most people think of ADA as Parking and Ramps. Although these items are an important factor there is much more to the Act besides physical barriers. It is also about policies, procedures, and attitudes.
The ADA is a Civil Rights issue, not one of medications, treatments or drugs. The ADA simply states that persons with disabilities shall have equal access to Programs, Services and Activities otherwise offered to any other member of the public. To single out any type of treatment or disability is directly against the ADA. This is what the court stated and is in fact in line with Federal regulations which the state must adhere to. Violations come with stiff penalties and loss of federal funding.
To single out a type of treatment then singles out many disabilities as allowed by the MMJ program. Who would this affect (what type of disability are you singling out)? This is the same as putting MMJ program participants on the back of the bus (segregation). This type of thinking is exactly what the ADA is trying to abolish. Your first concern should be for the view you have on persons with disabilities. From my experience in assisting with compliance and training, I have found that attitudinal barriers are by far the biggest hurdle.
Violation of a Civil Right is not the answer and the Legislature cannot change this.
The real answer to this issue is to re-schedule medical marijuana so that a Doctor can properly prescribe it. This would then allow for the control and supply of MMJ rather than dealing in these grey areas.
As for the employer, the current Marijuana testing methods need to be reviewed. Current testing can show traces of the drug for up to 6 months after exposure. The effect of the drug only lasts for 1 to 4 hours depending on strength and dosage. In short there is no current test used generally by private employers that can detect if a person is “Under The Influence” of marijuana. This should be a primary concern that is addressed by private business sector and most certainly those big testing companies that make all the money from them (but have little interest in this area of development).
Perhaps the private sector can adopt what our military has learned about the value of “Impairment Testing” over a simple chemical analysis of the last 6 months of life.
Mike Mullins (Formerly CIO Disability Access Consultants, Inc.)
What is a PRGS? (Person Responsible for the Grow Site)
|I am compassionate, dedicated and giving. I will live up to the responsibilities of a PRGS|
|I have made room in my house and my life for you.|
|I am taking all the risks and defending your rights.|
|I am the one who faces inspections, attacks, and responsible for your compliance.|
|I am the Security who diligently and daily guards your medicine. I do this at the risk of my life.|
|I am the eternal gardener who watches over your garden every day and every night.|
|I am the labor, the supplier, the distributor, the gatherer, the processor, the one who spends no less than 20 hours a week, all for love.|
|I am the one who came up with the hundreds of dollars to invest.|
|I am the one who pays all the bills and costs when you can’t.|
|I am the one you trust and know as the provider of your medicine.|
|I am the one who bears much responsibility to you, for you.|
|I am the one who gladly makes this commitment.|
|I will grow and provide you the best medicine that I can.|
|I am the one who may someday be called a pioneer.|
I am only a PRGS. I am not a Patient. I have few rights because the intent of the original law was to have a personal relationship with my patient (usually a close friend or loved one). The issue is that there are more patients than PRGs. This has given birth to new issues, many which are addressed by the dispensary initiative.
This has been a longstanding problem from my point of view. I have many stories to tell. Fortunately as of January 1, 2008 the amended rules went into affect to assist in proper notifications to the PRGS. Unfortunately there are a few who may be able to skirt the new rules for a short period while they are going into effect. This will catch up shortly.
New rules call for returning of cards within a 7 day period when a patient changes care givers or PRGS’s. There is notification from DHS sent to the PRGS to return the card thus giving official notification of any changes. As well the PRGS should initially get the card direct, instead of from the patient.
This goes a long way but does not solve all of the issues.
Previously a patient could change PRGS by simply faxing in a change on the form. This allowed some problems:
A patent could change PRGS without the PRGS knowledge. This puts the PRGS out of compliance and at risk for arrest. I have had some patients attempt to “Double Dip” by having one PRGS sign up, then changing to a new PRGS without notifying the first PRGS. The new rules will close this loop.
Another issue is that the PRGS cannot officially remove a patient from the garden. In cases where a PGRS may grow for more than one individual, there may be times where a patient may need to be removed. Some of these situations may be due to intrusive or destructive actions, breakdowns in relationships, or inappropriate behavior such as suspicion of illegal activities. In such cases the PRGS cannot remove their name from the patients’ records without the patients’ permission. I have dealt with these types of situations and even taken a notarized copy of my own statement to DHS (although I do not know if it did any good, other than cover my ass if I had to). I came extremely close to having to when the patient was busted cheating.
I have had patients show up at my door with guns, had my phone lines cut and masked men barge in, chainsaws to the side of buildings, and much more. When doing a grow one must remember that the grow is as valuable as the Bank Vault and there will be attempts if the grow is not secured or well removed and unknown. Even then there is a risk. It is difficult to keep the grow secretive from the patient, although in some cases this may be preferred by the PRGS. It is from this experience that we use grower/patient contracts with new patients.
I recommend only working with folks you know well and are intimate with if you do not use a contract. This is not a good attitude I admit, but it does afford me the desired level of protection, risk and hassle. In order to encourage me to grow for others, I would want something in place to make things perfectly clear. I once had a patient that was a Doctor. He took me to a warehouse he rented to store all the Kilos I was going to grow for him. Our relationship ended there as he had expectations that were unreal (and illegal).
Previously there have been no provisions for the rights of a PRGS, and this is still the case. Considering that the PRGS bears all of the risks, costs and background checks, there needs to be a more clear process. Until that time the PRGS should take upon themselves to develop practices that can be developed into standards. Perhaps one of these practices is to develop wording for a contract between the patient and PRGS.
There needs to be more PRGS available to patients. I believe they are out there but are encumbered by the lack of a clear path. Perhaps creating a standard contract would induce some of these fine gardeners to assist until we can get the process changed.
One of our other issues is the fact that we are limited to Federal numbers. This prohibits good communal gardens as I had first pictured in my mind when OMMA was introduced. It is unfortunate that the State of Oregon will not defend our true needs against the federal bullies. This is an area I think will have to be addressed at some point, even for a good dispensary initiative to eventually work in practice as opposed to theory.
It is too often I hear of Patients complaining about the PRG. This usually stems from the Patient not having the knowledge of how to grow and expecting more than can be done, with the all American GIMME attitude that it is owed simply because someone shows compassion. If patients were more involved in their own grow this would be less of a problem. Most patients do not have (or are not able) the desire to be in the garden. Communal Grow Spaces were always in my mind for this solution. WAMM has a great model, however this model does not work with our program, simply because of the Feds, and the States’ position not to stand up for our rights.